Opening Up Phish Archivist Kevin Shapiro

SB: Once you settled on releasing Colorado ’88, what role did you have from the approval of the idea until its Halloween debut?

KS: All the releases are a team effort by the band, our business management, and four of us employees (plus an intern or two). That team handles every aspect of production and marketing for Phish, JEMP records and livephish.com. We use some outside contractors for specialized production matters and P.R., which is standard, but just about everything for a non-major label release like Colorado ’88 is done in-house.

The process for Colorado ’88 began with transferring the cassette masters to digital soon after we got them, followed by sporadic listening until 2004. After a lot more listening in 2005 as we rebuilt our office, it looked like there might be a slot in 2006. I started making more and more concise compilations and eventually proposed one to the band and management. Once the concept was approved, there was more listening with the band to hone it down to the 3 CD’s released at Dry Goods and 7 bonus tracks at livephish.com.

When the sequence was set, I worked with Fred Kevorkian while he mastered the CD’s and bonus tracks, which were basically prepared with the same approach and care. Photo guru Jen and I also prepared historical content and text for the packaging and web sites, which the band was also directly involved in creating. Both Mikes (Gordon and Lynch) contributed photos along with Mike’s notes and the original cassette covers. I also got to unveil the first 5 bonus tracks at Sirius Jam-On. Since then we put two more bonus tracks up on the web for a total of more than 40 songs. It’s an exciting and historical project.

SB: Recently the Grateful Dead signed a groundbreaking licensing deal with Rhino Records. Do you think a deal like that benefits the fans as well as the band? Could you see Phish going in this direction?

KS: I can’t speak to whether Phish would consider such a deal. It seems pretty drastic, but I’ll support the band whatever they do. There are advantages to prolific artists with loyal fans handling matters independently without answering to anyone except each other. Grateful Dead founded that approach, and Phish has continued it. The goals for a band with such a rich legacy are to preserve their history and maintain creative control so they can share the best material with fans. That’s the guiding principle for whoever runs it whether it’s the band or their licensees.

I’ve enjoyed working with Rhino on Phish projects, and they’ve done a great job with the Grateful Dead (and other bands) thus far. That, and the fact that David Lemieux will be working on their releases going forward make me confident they’ll do the right thing by Deadheads.

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SB: Can you name for us some Phish shows that fly under the radar is terms of quality of the band’s performance?

KS: Two disclaimers: 1) I never list favorites because they change all the time, and 2) “under the radar” is hard to define, depending on where you are and who you know. Here are seven modern-era shows I don’t hear much about:

12/31/91 Worcester, MA
7/5/94 Ottawa, ON
10/21/95 Lincoln, NB
7/22/97 Raleigh, NC
8/1/98 East Troy, WI
7/31/99 Naeba, Japan
2/20/03 Rosemont, IL

SB: What Live Phish releases are next on the horizon?

KS: We never discuss the specifics of releases we’re working on, so we don’t jinx them.

SB: Which up and coming bands do you listen to these days?

KS: I keep up with the Phish band member projects, which account for a lot of great music. Col. Bruce Hampton and ARU aren’t exactly new, but I saw them play an amazing show in Atlanta last month and they are back on the road some and on fire as always. James Carter will forever be up and coming – a living saxophone great who must be heard in so many diverse projects. Others I catch whenever I can include local friends RAQ, Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey, Spam Allstars, Banyan and anything from New Orleans’ extended family. I also enjoy the Rondo Brothers who record, remix and produce killer music out of the Bay Area.

SB: Can we expect any new editions of This Month in Phish History?

KS: Yes, as soon as I get around to doing some writing.

SB: Do you ever get sick of listening to Phish?

KS: No.

Related Links: Check out this old Mockingbird Foundation interview for more about Kevin and his work.

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21 thoughts on “Opening Up Phish Archivist Kevin Shapiro

  1. coach Reply

    great stuff scotty! i like kevin’s list of shows that fly under the radar, particularly the last 4.

  2. Ace Cowboy Reply

    Funny, I really disliked 2/20/03 and thought 2/21 and 2/22 in Cincy were better! But that’s mainly because the Allstate Arena is atrocious, sound is terrible, and the crowd around me was mostly North Shore suburban morons and their about-to-be-vomiting girlfriends. On disc, it’s a great show. In person, not my fave.

    Either way, it’s great to get Shapiro’s insight into a lot of this stuff…

  3. carini Reply

    CO ’88 is exactly the type of archival release I’m looking forward to in the future. LP was a great series, but NYE 95 and CO 88 (from packaging to show choice) are what “from the archives’ is all about!

    The “Run Like An Antelope” is worth it alone…vintage phish at its best.

  4. Adam Reply

    I second the 7/5/94 suggestion from Kevin. Several crazy bustouts that hadn’t been played in years and some amazing jams.

    Funny enough I remember taping the show w/Kevin that night. We were patched out of the same rig.

  5. Peterphan Reply

    What are the 2 extra bonus track Kevin Speaks of on the web? I got the 3 cd’s, d/l’ed the 5 bonus songs from livephish.com,,but don’t see another 2?

  6. kevin shapiro Reply

    peterphan:

    the additional 2 bonus tracks, tela 8/4/88 and possum 7/30/88 are currently available free at phish.com’s “history of colorado ’88″ site.

    the url for the audio is http://www.phish.com/colorado88/audio.html. they will also be offered at livephish.com soon but, as of this minute are only at the url i listed. there’s a lot of other cool content up at the colorado history site, so take a minute to look around when you’re there.

    there are also a couple of recent articles with Colorado ’88 recollections from mike lynch and paul languedoc at http://www.telluridewatch.com/111006/grooview.htm and http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,2792,DRMN_54_5141161,00.html.

    Enjoy!

    –ks

  7. Hal Hansen Reply

    That 7/22/97 was one of the better Phish experiences I’ve ever had. From the spaceship-looking storm cloud that came over the ampitheater during the first set to the driving rain and mudslides down the lawn at setbreak to the buttery-smooth Down With Disease into Mike’s song to start the second set…just awesome.

  8. Come From Top Of Mtn Reply

    Telluride is a very rootsie; special spot… The fact that,
    these shows, were used in the latest installment of live
    Phish release is special. Being a hometown boy, I rode many
    a chairlift, with Mikey L, being told this day would come.
    JEMP nailed the details to a T. You see the true magic of Phish in these sessions.

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  10. Brent Reply

    Love the list of “under the radar” shows.
    7.31.99 was a mind melt… not only was this the kindest venue~ the “field of heaven”, but the 2001>Bowie full-on.

  11. zappa Reply

    12/31/91 set III….EPIC
    I still have the bouncing ball they threw out for the NYE countdown

  12. Barno Reply

    indeed onthat ottawa show – i was there, and it was great times that night… I believe there was cities bust out and an Alumni->Letter to Jime P… a really nivce If I Could as well… this is really called jogging the memory.

    weird room though… congress center – hollow sound!!

  13. Wes Reply

    Love seeing 7/22/97 up there. BEST TASTE EVER!! The thunderclap to kick off Page’s solo is just perfectly timed and it kicked off the most energetic 6 or 7 minutes I’ve ever heard Phish play.

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  15. SplitOpenAlot Reply

    7/22/97 – Definitely, I remember that Taste. It was like God said, “HERE is where you release the tension. NOW. BOOOOM.”

    IT POURED, after that. Again… My wife and I were soaked from the night before in VA too =)

    What great run to start off a helluva last half of 97!

    KEVIN – PLEASE RELEASE HAMPTON 97!!!!!!!

  16. ken gloo Reply

    i was soooo excited when mr. shapiro graced the final coventry archive show with the goodtimes>tweeprise. we could all do ourselves a favor to continue to push for this to be released. One of the strongest nights ever…certainly the greatest REBA ever played. Mr. Shapiro – help us retrieve a piece of beutiful phishtory by letting the whole world to hear 10.21.95 – thank you sir – yoo doo rule.

  17. you'd love to hate Reply

    fuck phish, you all new they couldn’t last

  18. phishydan dank Reply

    PHISH WILL RULE THE WORLD ONCE AGAIN!!!!!

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  20. [email protected] Reply

    I have a SWEET copy of 10-21-95 on CD.
    Perishing Auditorium, Lincoln Nebraska.
    E-mail me if ya REALLY want it!

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